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, professor of English in the College of Arts and Sciences, was interviewed on The Ezra Klein podcast “.” Saunders, noted as one of “America’s greatest living authors,” was interviewed for the podcast about what it means to be kind in a cruel world. “We discuss the collisions between capitalism and human relations, the relationship between writing and meditation, Saunders’s personal editing process, the tension between empathizing with others and holding them to account, the promise of re-localizing our politics, the way our minds deceive us,” and more, says podcast host Ezra Klein.